I’ve only recently started watching Jimmy Butler play last year when he was on the Sixers. He is an excellent defender, capable scorer, and has great playmaking acumen. The only knock against him I can think of would be his ability to stay healthy.

What keeps him from being on the level of superstar status a la Kyrie Irving for example?

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  1. I would say a lack of continued success. Not really his fault as he was on some bad teams. He also isn’t a great 3pt shooter but that’s about the only weakness to his game and it’s not a liability or anything.

  2. His contentious behavior in Minnesota (and being in a market like Minnesota in general) and being overshadowed for most of his time in Philly. Not saying it’s fair, and I love his game, but that’s a big part of it.

  3. He hasn’t won anything. Doesn’t do anything really impressive. Broke out as a role player in Chicago. Jimmy has spent his career in situations other superstars ruin their public relations for.

    Kyrie has the hardware and the standout performances on big stages.

  4. Stars sell the team

    Superstars sell the league

    A lot of what defines a superstar is branding by the league itself. There’s only a few true faces of the NBA to the casual fan.

    I just think there’s too many guys ahead of him in the mix to be seen in that light, as good as a player he is.

    I have a hunch that this playoff run will be a coming out party for him. He’s now a sole #1 option and the team looks great by all accounts. Maybe it’ll be different next year.

  5. He just not that good. He’s not a great shooter he a good driver not a game changer on either end just good.

    I think it’s only like 7 superstars in the league and Kyrie ain’t one of them

  6. Kyrie is not a superstar either, maybe if he continues his play this year.

    Jimmy was borderline top 10 player for 2 years until last season with Philly when he had a down year in the RS.

  7. I think Butler is better than Kyrie. His overall impact is larger.

    I think he’s right below the cutoff for true superstar though. It’s pretty clear he’s just not quite on the level of Giannis, Kawhi, Curry, Harden, and Durant (pre-injury).

  8. Butler isn’t as flashy as other superstars in terms of his playstyle and he lacks the oomph from range that players like Kyrie, Lillard, and Kawhi can give you. I agree, though — he’s a well-rounded player that gives you something on both sides of the floor.

  9. Probably the narrative people have about him like he’s definitely getting better but I think most just have him in that Aldridge, DeRozan tier and that’s not gonna change unless he averages like 30 or some shit. I think he’s a superstar

  10. My opinion is that the super stars are the top 8-10 players in the league that usually fill the first two all-nba teams, these guys can carry you deep into the playoffs and give you a shot at winning championships.

    The next 10 (ranks 10-20 – 3rd and fringe 3rd teamers) are in the all-nba tier. Jimmy imo while close peaked out around in that 12-15 range right around PG before last season’s leap, these guys can carry their team to regular season success and depending on the matchup win some rounds in the playoffs. Anything after is all-star, vet, rotation piece etc.

  11. Gonna be honest, it’s his team first attitude

    I love it. Trust me, it’s a good trait to have. But it’s holding him back

    He won’t shoot if he thinks it’s bad for the team

    He’ll score and score then stop because he thinks he’s hogging the ball. It’s just his personality

    I think he can be classified as a superstar if he puts up the numbers he has been lately, consistently, but we can’t know if he will or not.

  12. It depends on your definition of Superstar

    Personally my definition is being a top 5 player like AD, Harden, Lebron, Curry and Giannis. Then there are guys that are borderline superstar like Dame, Embiid, and Jokic (these are guys that I could see people label as superstars, but they need more accolades or to keep up their production for longer imo)

    I wouldn’t consider Kyrie a superstar yet as he’s always been a perennial all star calibre player.

    So I would put Jimmy comfortably in that tier

  13. He’s not an elite scorer or creator, even though he’s a very good at both, and he’s a meh 3 point shooter. Since 2015 (his first all-star year), he’s averaged 29pts/6ast per 100 on .578 TS%. For comparison, Kyrie in that span has averages 34/8 on .584 TS%. His best scoring attributes come with the ball in his hands, so he clashes playstyle-wise with other stars.

    Is he underrated though? 100% yeah. He’s easily better than Guys like Blake and Kemba, even though his numbers aren’t as flashy. He was a fringe MVP candidate in 2018 before he tore his MCL.

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